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1 Destro  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 10:03:57am
Does the Torah scroll belong to the Jews or to the Polish community where the Jews used to live, but were killed/expelled?

That's like asking do we return historic relics found in modern Turkey made by Greeks or Armenians to Greece or Armenia since there are no more Armenians and Greeks living in Turkey or do they go to a Turkish museum?

Is there a Polish museum dedicated to Jewish life in Poland? Or they can be donated to still active Polish synagogues or to a holocaust museum.

2 Bob Levin  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 10:09:10am

re: #1 Destro

That's like asking do we return historic relics found in modern Turkey made by Greeks or Armenians to Greece or Armenia since there are no more Armenians and Greeks living in Turkey or do they go to a Turkish museum?

Are you saying that this is an unreasonable question?

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 10:36:27am

Several years ago I received an email from a woman I had never met. Her good friend, who was a historian specializing in local Washington history, had recently died of cancer. It was the dying woman's wish that the family Bibles that she had collected in the course of her work be returned to descendants of the original owners, if they could be found.

Because of something I had posted on a genealogy site, she had identified me as a possible descendant, which I am.

The only request was that I keep it, not sell it on ebay or something.

Was she kidding? I bought an archival box for it and some gloves to handle it with. I brought it, and the gloves, to a family gathering and we all looked through it.

It's one of my prized possessions.

These Torahs should go somewhere they will be this treasured.

4 Destro  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 11:33:57am

re: #2 Bob Levin

Are you saying that this is an unreasonable question?

A) you are still a whack job and B) I gave out possible scenarios.

5 Bob Levin  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 11:58:33am

re: #4 Destro

Hey Mighty Mouse, I just asked a question.

6 Destro  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 12:07:27pm

re: #5 Bob Levin

Hey Might Mouse, I just asked a question.

Mighty Mouse? Dating yourself there, grandpa.

7 Bob Levin  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 12:13:13pm

re: #6 Destro

I can dig that. Call me grandpa. Which does say something about your mindset, attacking and cursing the elderly. Such shame on you. You've made a few attacks on the elderly here. Get a frisson out of that?

8 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 12:14:44pm

re: #7 Bob Levin

You are a grown up. Act like a grown up.

9 Bob Levin  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 12:17:15pm

re: #8 Learned Mother of Zion

So I should just ignore him? If that's your advice, I'll do that.

10 philosophus invidius  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 1:25:07pm

re: #1 Destro

That would make sense if there were no significant difference between 60 years and 2000 years.

11 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 2:34:44pm

It's really rotten that the woman who had them tried to sell them after her father had accepted the responsibility of safely hiding them for a friend.

I suppose it's possible that she has some hardship I'm unaware of and desperately needed the money, but the fact that she was able to hold out for a better price after trying to sell them the first time makes me think that wasn't the case.

12 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 2:35:42pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

It's really rotten that the woman who had them tried to sell them after her father had accepted the responsibility of safely hiding them for a friend.

I suppose it's possible that she has some hardship I'm unaware of and desperately needed the money, but the fact that she was able to hold out for a better price after trying to sell them the first time makes me think that wasn't the case.

People should not be trying to make money from something that is obviously war loot.

13 Origuy  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 2:38:06pm

re: #10 philosophus invidius

Huh? There were a lot of Greeks and Armenians living in Turkey until the Armenian genocide in 1915 and the Greek population exchange in 1923. Still are a few.

14 Destro  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 4:12:35pm

re: #10 philosophus invidius

That would make sense if there were no significant difference between 60 years and 2000 years.

Why did you assume I meant ancient Greece? Did you think Greeks and Armenians stopped living in Asia Minor a long time ago?

There were population exchanges in the 1920s and the last major Greek populations were expelled from mainland Turkey en-mass in 1955 - that's AD (not counting Cyprus).

The Istanbul Pogrom of 6-7 September 1955 in the Light of International Law

Alfred de Zayas

From: Genocide Studies and Prevention
Volume 2, Number 2, Summer 2007
pp. 137-154 | 10.1353/gsp.2011.0019

[Link: muse.jhu.edu...]

15 Destro  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 4:15:27pm

re: #7 Bob Levin

I can dig that. Call me grandpa. Which does say something about your mindset, attacking and cursing the elderly. Such shame on you. You've made a few attacks on the elderly here. Get a frisson out of that?

You get to call me a David Duke klansmen based on your nuttiness psyching reading of my soul somehow but I have to respect you as an elder?

16 Destro  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 4:16:08pm

re: #13 Origuy

Huh? There were a lot of Greeks and Armenians living in Turkey until the Armenian genocide in 1915 and the Greek population exchange in 1923. Still are a few.

There was also the Pogrom against the Greeks in 1955 and the Cyprus ethnic cleansing of the 1970s.

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 23, 2012 6:39:51pm

re: #1 Destro

That's like asking do we return historic relics found in modern Turkey made by Greeks or Armenians to Greece or Armenia since there are no more Armenians and Greeks living in Turkey or do they go to a Turkish museum?

Hmmm. Valuable religious artifacts made and owned by Armenians, and found in the posession of a Turk whose granddad just happened to acquire them somehow...and who wants cash?

I'd say NOT a Turkish museum. Call me crazy.

18 Destro  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:57:50am

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

Some Christian churches in Turkey have been turned into modern museums.


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